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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the picture of your Grandma.

I remember when my Grandpa was living with my family up on the hill, when he had Alzheimer&#039;s.  I was 11-12 years old.  There were times he was himself as he had been a few years before and knew everyone, wondering why he wasn&#039;t living in Eugene anymore, or he was himself in another time, or thought Mom was Grandma, or didn&#039;t know us at all.  He would forget that he drank or smoked for weeks at a time (kinda&#039; nice, actually!), and would eventually forget how to do the most basic things, or regressed to scared and child-like behaviors.  It&#039;s an odd thing.

I understand the process of letting go as our loved ones are still alive.  We keep looking for clarity from them, from the person we once knew, and they appear less and less often.  So by the time they really are gone, they often have already been gone a while.  Though sad, in some ways it&#039;s a gentler sort of letting down, in my experience.  

Still, I&#039;m very sorry your Grandma is going, Ingrid.  There&#039;s no shame in acknowledging the reality, though.  I think it can be helpful to connect.

And y&#039;know what, I&#039;d like to deny death a bit:  I want to live as long as possible, because this life is way too interesting to easily give up.  But of course, once I&#039;m gone, there won&#039;t be any way to even think or complain about it!  But after seeing it happen to another, part of me can still imagine it for myself -- an intractable pull toward...  what?  at least temporary oblivion, I guess.  I&#039;d prefer to be prepared for it, though the universe too often teaches us to expect the unexpected.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever believed in the sort of afterlife where my current consciousness would have any sort of perception, like in those old stories of Heaven.  But, as I understand your writing, it strikes me that your Clouds idea is pretty close to Tibetan Buddhist ideas that I&#039;m most familiar with. 

If there is some sort of reincarnation or continuation of semi-individual existence or awareness, I suppose that we are like clouds of dust being blown along a path, losing particles of ourselves here, picking up bits of other things there, always changing shape, yet retaining some essence of what we are or have been.  Geez, this can work on so many levels!

Even if you think of it just on a materialist&#039;s terms, considering biological processes/cycles of decay and regeneration, and  I include transfer or dispersion of electricity or energy into the world at death with that...  Anyway, even if, age after age, our &quot;souls&quot; no longer have a single quark of what we started out with, all that substance or energy we identify with may still be informed by our original state -- physical or energetic.  

Which (if what I&#039;m saying makes sense to you or anyone reading -- it almost doesn&#039;t make sense to me!) is why I think we may all just be singular and semi-temporary waves of experience upon an ocean of greater collective awareness (or non-awareness, as it might be).

Anyway, I think your Big Religion does as good a job as any other religion or philosophy or science or person in trying to explain &quot;what is beyond&quot; or &quot;what is Reality&quot; to those who are living.  All of that stuff is in there; I know I&#039;ve heard it; I&#039;ve been to Mass a few times...  There is a lot of depth in any scripture, even if it only approximately points to ideas -- which is the best any words or physical expression can do.  So, I think it&#039;s important to pursue the spiritual/religious route with which we resonate most, because they do all have Answers.

Hope you don&#039;t mind my long response, Ingrid.  You got me all thoughtful &#039;n&#039; stuff!  And I live for these kinds of conversations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the picture of your Grandma.</p>
<p>I remember when my Grandpa was living with my family up on the hill, when he had Alzheimer&#8217;s.  I was 11-12 years old.  There were times he was himself as he had been a few years before and knew everyone, wondering why he wasn&#8217;t living in Eugene anymore, or he was himself in another time, or thought Mom was Grandma, or didn&#8217;t know us at all.  He would forget that he drank or smoked for weeks at a time (kinda&#8217; nice, actually!), and would eventually forget how to do the most basic things, or regressed to scared and child-like behaviors.  It&#8217;s an odd thing.</p>
<p>I understand the process of letting go as our loved ones are still alive.  We keep looking for clarity from them, from the person we once knew, and they appear less and less often.  So by the time they really are gone, they often have already been gone a while.  Though sad, in some ways it&#8217;s a gentler sort of letting down, in my experience.  </p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m very sorry your Grandma is going, Ingrid.  There&#8217;s no shame in acknowledging the reality, though.  I think it can be helpful to connect.</p>
<p>And y&#8217;know what, I&#8217;d like to deny death a bit:  I want to live as long as possible, because this life is way too interesting to easily give up.  But of course, once I&#8217;m gone, there won&#8217;t be any way to even think or complain about it!  But after seeing it happen to another, part of me can still imagine it for myself &#8212; an intractable pull toward&#8230;  what?  at least temporary oblivion, I guess.  I&#8217;d prefer to be prepared for it, though the universe too often teaches us to expect the unexpected.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever believed in the sort of afterlife where my current consciousness would have any sort of perception, like in those old stories of Heaven.  But, as I understand your writing, it strikes me that your Clouds idea is pretty close to Tibetan Buddhist ideas that I&#8217;m most familiar with. </p>
<p>If there is some sort of reincarnation or continuation of semi-individual existence or awareness, I suppose that we are like clouds of dust being blown along a path, losing particles of ourselves here, picking up bits of other things there, always changing shape, yet retaining some essence of what we are or have been.  Geez, this can work on so many levels!</p>
<p>Even if you think of it just on a materialist&#8217;s terms, considering biological processes/cycles of decay and regeneration, and  I include transfer or dispersion of electricity or energy into the world at death with that&#8230;  Anyway, even if, age after age, our &#8220;souls&#8221; no longer have a single quark of what we started out with, all that substance or energy we identify with may still be informed by our original state &#8212; physical or energetic.  </p>
<p>Which (if what I&#8217;m saying makes sense to you or anyone reading &#8212; it almost doesn&#8217;t make sense to me!) is why I think we may all just be singular and semi-temporary waves of experience upon an ocean of greater collective awareness (or non-awareness, as it might be).</p>
<p>Anyway, I think your Big Religion does as good a job as any other religion or philosophy or science or person in trying to explain &#8220;what is beyond&#8221; or &#8220;what is Reality&#8221; to those who are living.  All of that stuff is in there; I know I&#8217;ve heard it; I&#8217;ve been to Mass a few times&#8230;  There is a lot of depth in any scripture, even if it only approximately points to ideas &#8212; which is the best any words or physical expression can do.  So, I think it&#8217;s important to pursue the spiritual/religious route with which we resonate most, because they do all have Answers.</p>
<p>Hope you don&#8217;t mind my long response, Ingrid.  You got me all thoughtful &#8216;n&#8217; stuff!  And I live for these kinds of conversations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing Ingrid - your thoughts and words really summed up places I&#039;ve been and AM with death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing Ingrid &#8211; your thoughts and words really summed up places I&#8217;ve been and AM with death&#8230;</p>
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